The Intelligence of Dogs
ila...@yahoo.com
-ilan
Michael A. Ball
>Here is my 2 cents worth: http://cf.geocities.com/ilanpi/dog.html
Well done, informative, and worth far more than two cents. :-) Thanks for sharing.
I went to the AKC intelligence rating chart http://www.petrix.com/dogint/70-79.html to
look for my favorite breed, Chow Chows. I couldn't believe my eyes: they were rate 76 out
of 79! Well, I immediately realized the rating system is very seriously flawed. Chow Chows
are smart enough to know what they want and don't want. If your notions vary, you must
persuade them to rethink their views. That's not dumb: that's what makes them so adorable.
:-) Of course, that's just my two cents.
I think there's a book entitled something like "Dogs Are Smarter Than You Think", and I
firmly believe that.
A dog's life is too short; their only fault really.
Melinda Shore
I agree, but it's unfortunately common to confuse
biddability with intelligence. People with more compliant
dogs like that.
However, I disagree that there are no meaningful differences
in intelligence between breeds. Not only does *my*
anecdotal experience suggest that there is a difference,
it's also the case that genetics plays a major role in
determining intelligence and that one of the requirements
for an established pure breed to be recognized by a kennel
club is a closed breed book.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - sh...@panix.com
What we have here is a form of looting. -- Nobel laureate in
economics George Akerlof, on Bush economic policy
ila...@yahoo.com
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <mkdkl11d1flps81ng...@4ax.com>,
> Michael A. Ball <Guar...@wireco.net> wrote:
> >That's not dumb: that's what makes them so adorable.
>
> I agree, but it's unfortunately common to confuse
> biddability with intelligence.
Good point. In fact, my opinion of tests like the SAT's is
that the test does not consist of finding the best answer,
but in being able to think like the person who wrote the question.
In particular, the numerical sequence questions like 1, 4, 17, ?
are completely bogus, a real number theorist (like myself) will
not be able to "figure it out." Moreover, there is an actual
mathematical theory, Kolmogorov Complexity, which proves that
there is no method to solve these in general (if the formal
goal is to find the shortest formula which generates the
given sequence). I find this especially distasteful since
I'm convinced that the test writers are the kind of failed
dilettantes I abhor.
-ilan
Opinicus
> Here is my 2 cents worth:
> http://cf.geocities.com/ilanpi/dog.html
"the only eyewitness to the murders of Nicole Simpson and
Ron Goldman was her dog Kato (later Satchmo). Among the many
bizzare points brought up in the media frenzy was the
question of interrogating this witness"
Being outside the US I missed the OJ trial and its "media
frenzy" but, Huh? Interrogate a dog?
--
Bob
Kanyak's Doghouse
http://www.kanyak.com
Melinda Shore
<ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I find this especially distasteful since
>I'm convinced that the test writers are the kind of failed
>dilettantes I abhor.
Me too! I way prefer failed experts.
I don't see much value in ranking intelligence, except
perhaps as a status statistic and that's more about
perceived value than actual value. One of my dogs is just
plain dumb as a sack of hair, but she does her job
extraordinarily well and is exceptionally sweet, to boot.
She's a great sleddog and she's a great companion and pet.
Would she be a better dog if she weren't a slow learner?
No, not in any way that makes a real difference.
Back in the old days of Usenet it was considered a "score"
if you could manipulate someone into posting his SAT scores
or IQ score without explicitly asking for it. There's some
value, I suppose.
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
Re: The Intelligence of Dogs
ila...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Here is my 2 cents worth: http://cf.geocities.com/ilanpi/dog.html
In order to consider the value of Dr. Coren's
works with dogs we must recognize from WHERE
his basic understanding and beliefs come.
"We do not see things as they are;
we see things as we are." -- Talmud
As a traditional dog trainer and university trained
psychologist *(not even a behaviorist [which would
only further corrupt his thinking]) we MUST realize
that much of Dr. Coren's teachings and philosophies
are based on OTHER MISTAKEN SCIENTIST'S *ERRONEHOWES
WORKS, therefore his viewpoint is NATURALLY *CONfHOWENED.
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"Problems cannot be solved at the same level
of awareness that created them. If you can't
explain it to a six year old, you don't
understand it yourself. We shall require a
substantially new manner of thinking if
mankind is to survive," -- Albert Einstein
The problem can be best understood by studying your
own words and applying the same problem solving LOGIC.
Just substitute the IDEA of dog or person in place of
pi or circle:
Problem: Prove that pi exists.
Well, the first problem is understanding what the problem is.
Indeed, even the compendium [L. Berggren, J. Borwein,
P. Borwein, Pi: A Source Book, Springer Verlag, New
York 1997] fails to provide a proof of pi's existence!
Basically, you need to figure out what the exact
definition of pi is, and then rigorously prove
that this defines a unique real number.
In effect, this problem is an exercise in mathematical rigor.
Sub Problem 1: What is the correct definition of pi?
Some people try to get around the technical difficulties
encountered in the proof below by defining pi in unusual
ways (e.g., Apostol in what is therefore his deficient
Calculus text defines pi as the area of a circle of radius
1), but you really can't get around the following:
Definition: Pi is the ratio of the circumference of
a circle to its diameter.
Now that the definition is settled, it's time to grapple
with the more subtle issue which is simply:
Sub Problem 2: Why does the above definition require
any kind of proof?
Now is the time to think deep thoughts.
Deep Thought Break.
The problem is that the circumference of a circle is
not a straight line, and it may be possible that its
length is infinite. If that were the case, then pi
would certainly not be defined, since it would not
be a real number (and Lemma 1 would be meaningless).
In other words, one must provide a completely rigorous
argument which shows that the circumference of a circle
is bounded above.
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"The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery.
There comes a leap in consciousness, call it intuition or
what you will, and the solution comes to you and you don't
know how or why." -- Albert Einstein
The following reviews of Dr. Coren's books are written
by The Amazing Puppy Wizard's highly respected FRIEND,
the notable Lee Charles Kelley, the only other reliable
source of dog training and behavior INFORMATION who not coincidentally,
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Smart Dogs, Dumb Authors, August 10, 2005
Reviewer: Lee Charles Kelley "dog trainer/mystery
novelist" (New York City) - See all my reviews
I couldn't even begin to count all the things Stanley
Coren gets wrong in THE INTELLIGENCE OF DOGS. For
instance, in one section he claims that dogs have the
ability to do math but in another part of the book he
claims they can't tell the difference between a tug
toy and human skin.
The first is clearly way beyond a dog's capacity,
while the second is something which comes totally
natural to them. How did Coren get things so backwards?
And the "intelligence" tests he provides have nothing
to do with intelligence but in how focused or driven
a dog is to do the test (or game) while you're doing it.
For instance, I tried one of the tests with my dog by
putting a piece of food under a towel, then waited to
see how long it took him to find the treat. I'd still
be waiting if I hadn't decided he'd never look under
that towel.
Then I tried the same game by teasing my dog with one
of his favorite toys. Then I hid it under the towel,
and it took him less than a second to get that toy.
So my dog is apparently both on the smarter and dumber
ends of Coren's intelligence spectrum. (This is just
one example, by the way: the whole idea of testing a
dog's IQ like this is bogus.)
And don't get me started on Coren's pedantic retelling
of the alpha myth. Granted, he wrote this book before
the latest research on wild wolf packs proved that
there's no such thing as a dominance hierarchy, or an
alpha wolf, or the rest of that alpha nonsense.
Though, I doubt if even that data would change Coren's mind.
After all, he seriously recommends rolling your dog over on
its back every day and pulling one of the animal's hind legs
in the air to create a posture which supposedly "signifies
submission to the pack leader." (Really? Dogs use "signifiers"
now?)
The funny thing is, shortly after reading that passage
I saw a wolf documentary on TV and the papa wolf did
the exact opposite or what Coren recommends! He rolled
over on HIS back and let the pups jump on top of him
and bite his nose! They loved it! So I tried what the
papa wolf did with his pups with my dog--an alpha male,
if there ever was one--and HE loved it. And later that
night, on our last walk, he was ten times as obedient
to me than he had been before I'd mimicked the papa
wolf's behavior.
Again, Coren had everything exactly backwards to reality.
This "through the looking glass" quality persists throughout
the book, with Coren even saying that dogs are capable of
hypothetical, symbolic, and conceptual thinking.
Wha..? I'm sorry. I love dogs and I think they have
wonderful abilities that should be honored and respected,
but the abilities they DO have are geared for being a dog,
not a mini-me with four legs and a tail.
For one thing, fully one third of a dog's brain is devoted
to processing olfactory information, and none to processing
symbols and concepts.
I think Coren needs to do a little more research on
comparative neuroanatomy and actual wolf behavior
before he makes more ridiculous claims like the ones
he made in this inane book.
Another Bogus Book from Coren, September 12, 2005
Reviewer: Lee Charles Kelley "dog trainer/mystery
novelist" (New York City) -
Do dogs understand language? Do they have their own
syntax and grammar? Stanley Coren thinks so. Or maybe,
as with many of his other books, he's only pretending
to believe what he says in order to pique people's
interest and sell more copies...
The words we use in dog training are actually irrelevant.
Since I train dogs in Manhattan, I often find myself
on an elevator with one or more dogs. When the door
closes I'll say, "What do we do on an elevator?" and
they'll all sit. This often charms and surprises the
other elevator occupants who may say something like,
"Look! They understand every word you say!"
Not really. I trained the dogs to do this by first saying
"What do we do on an elevator?-we sit." Once that pattern
was established, the dogs were able to make the leap from
"What do we do on an elevator?" to "Sit" quite easily.
In fact, I could have as easily trained them to do this
by using nonsense words, gobbledygook, ridiculous sounds
that have no meaning at all. So it isn't my words or
syntax the dogs are responding to, it's my intent, my
body language, my tone of voice (all carrying emotional
information), and a previously established pattern of behavior.
Stanley Coren should know this better than anyone since
one of his dogs is deaf, yet still obeys him. Why? Because
of his body language and a previously established pattern
of behavior, not because the dog "understands" his words.
Coren would say that the dog understands his hand signals
the same way the hearing-impaired understand sign language.
But looked at objectively it's far more likely that the
dog's response to hand signals is still just part of a
previously established pattern of behavior, not a linguistic
or cognitive process.
Coren would still disagree. He claims that certain
vocalizations made by dogs can be grouped together,
which he takes to mean that there's a kind of syntax
or grammar at work. I'm sorry, Stan, but real language
doesn't operate on such a simplistic level.
And while it may seem brave and controversial of Coren
(who has a degree in psychology, not linguisics or animal
behavior) to disagree with Noam Chomsky about the nature
of language, at this stage in the development of linguistic
science that's a bit like a high school sophmore disagreeing
with Sir Isaac Newton about gravity.
Look, it's fairly obvious to anyone who really understands
dogs that the reason certain yips, barks, growls, etc. are
sometimes used together and others aren't (which isn't always
true, by the way -- it depends on the dog), is that each
vocalization comes from an emotional, not a cognitive state.
In other words, certain emotions -- like fear and aggression -
- may be felt by the animal simultaneously, while others -
- calmness and fear -- can't be. It's not grammar or syntax,
it's emotion, pure and simple.
Even if Coren hadn't thought this through from an emotional
point of view, if he'd spent any time at all studying
comparative neuroanatomy he'd know that a dog's brain has
no Broca's area, which makes linguistic ability totally
impossible.
But as with other books he's written (his LEFT-HANDER
SYNDROME was notorious for being based on false data),
Coren doesn't seem to care much about the truth.
Still, I have to admit that it's hard not to buy into
this myth because as human beings we're constantly
explaining our feelings and experiences to ourselves
through our thoughts and inner monologues, or to others
through conversations, letters, etc. As a result we're
almost forced, by the way our brains work, to supply a
similar linguistic medium for a dog's feelings and
behaviors when no such medium or ability exists.
I trained my dog to respond in a certain way whenever
I ask him a certain question. And I have to admit, I
like the way it feels when I say to him, "Do you love me?"
and he wags his tail, comes over, puts his paws on my
chest, and licks my nose. Does he understand the meaning
of that sentence when I say it to him? Of course not.
But I know he understands the emotion.
It's a shame that Coren doesn't get this fundamental
difference between real linguistic understanding and
pure emotion, particularly when the misinformation he
disseminates in this book can be detrimental to the
relationship between you and your dog, a relationship
that SHOULD be based on real and, quite often, wonderful
emotions, not on any imaginary ability to use and understand
language.
If I could I'd give this book no stars at all.
LeeCharlesKelley.
> -ilan
"Two things are infinite: the universe and
human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the
the universe," - Albert Einstein.
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Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
=====================
> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===========
Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT
Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."
HOWEDY People,
Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone
> > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
> > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
> > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
> > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.
> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that
> > > leap.
> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.
> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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ila...@yahoo.com
Melinda Shore a écrit :
> In article <1129988551.2...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I find this especially distasteful since
> >I'm convinced that the test writers are the kind of failed
> >dilettantes I abhor.
>
> Me too! I way prefer failed experts.
I take that as a compliment, I think...
> Back in the old days of Usenet it was considered a "score"
> if you could manipulate someone into posting his SAT scores
> or IQ score without explicitly asking for it. There's some
> value, I suppose.
These days, the loser is the first one to bring up the Nazis.
Doh!
-ilan
Rocky
> I don't see much value in ranking intelligence, except
> perhaps as a status statistic and that's more about
> perceived value than actual value.
I kind of like Stanley Coren's ranking.
Rocky is a #42 which--as anyone who knows anything about
_Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_--is The Meaning of Life.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
culprit
"Michael A. Ball" <Guar...@wireco.net> wrote in message
news:mkdkl11d1flps81ng...@4ax.com...
> On 22 Oct 2005 05:01:45 -0700, ila...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >Here is my 2 cents worth: http://cf.geocities.com/ilanpi/dog.html
>
> Well done, informative, and worth far more than two cents. :-) Thanks for
sharing.
>
> I went to the AKC intelligence rating chart
http://www.petrix.com/dogint/70-79.html to
> look for my favorite breed, Chow Chows. I couldn't believe my eyes: they
were rate 76 out
> of 79! Well, I immediately realized the rating system is very seriously
flawed. Chow Chows
> are smart enough to know what they want and don't want. If your notions
vary, you must
> persuade them to rethink their views. That's not dumb: that's what makes
them so adorable.
> :-) Of course, that's just my two cents.
i agree on Chows, but i think they're just right on Borzoi. my neighbor has
two of them, and a four foot fence. they'll happily run up to me, put their
front legs over the fence for a tummy rub. they run back and forth along the
fence line all day long barking at everything. they live outside alone, the
life of kennel dogs, desperate for company.
and yet they NEVER jump that four foot fence.
they're beautiful, friendly, wonderful dogs.
but not too bright.
-kelly
culprit
"Melinda Shore" <sh...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:djdeec$mjk$1...@panix2.panix.com...
> In article <mkdkl11d1flps81ng...@4ax.com>,
> Michael A. Ball <Guar...@wireco.net> wrote:
> >That's not dumb: that's what makes them so adorable.
>
> I agree, but it's unfortunately common to confuse
> biddability with intelligence. People with more compliant
> dogs like that.
i agree. my dogs are quite intelligent. they trick me into giving them
what they want on many occasions. they many not be great bird dogs or scent
hounds (when i had Lola with me to find Manu, she was more interested in
finding the left over blackberries on the vines), but they always get what
they want. and they usually give me what i want, if i find a creative way
to get it. :-)
my favorite is bedwarmer. that doesn't take much convincing, and it's oh so
convenient.
-kelly
sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
And then there's my Triss, a rescue from an abominable situation, who
is responsible for our 6' fencing because she jumped the 4' fence when
she got spooked outside one night. Borzoi are not stupid.
Racing Greyhounds are raised in pens from puppyhood, some of which
have fencing that's less than 4' high. I know of one ex-racer who
will jump the fence in his yard when it looks like the dogs are going
to go for a ride - - he goes from the fenced yard straight to the van.
Never jumps the fence otherwise. Some ex-racers aren't aware that
they could easily jump a fence; some are, but never do. The fact
that they don't doesn't make them stupid.
Mustang Sally
Judy
This book was published back in 1994. The listing is hardly news now.
AND the author made the point in the book that the listing was probably more
indicative of several issues, the largest IIRC, being trainability. And he
also made the point that HIS own dogs - and the breeds that he preferred -
were mostly scattered around at the bottom of the list.
> Back in the old days of Usenet it was considered a "score"
> if you could manipulate someone into posting his SAT scores
> or IQ score without explicitly asking for it. There's some
> value, I suppose.
But see, this wasn't to get you post your own SAT/IQ scores. It was to post
the pseudo-equivalent of your DOG'S SAT/IQ scores. That's WAY different.
~~Judy
Whose scores for both myself and for my dog's breed are just fine thank you
very much.
Judy
news:3s26c8F...@individual.net...
And just to be clear, since my cutting and pasting wasn't, Melinda didn't
wirte this. I did.
Judy
news:3s256kF...@individual.net...
> and yet they NEVER jump that four foot fence.
>
> they're beautiful, friendly, wonderful dogs.
>
> but not too bright.
Fencing isn't really reliable as an intelligence indicator.
Our dogs came from a breeder who has high fences at home but at shows, which
is 30 or so trips a year, the dogs are contained in a 30 inch high x-pen.
They don't jump out because they understand the fence to be a barrier that
must not be crossed. This includes not only the miniatures but also
standard schnauzers and, at times, a doberman. Going over that fence brings
out the wrath of the Alpha Bitch and it is Just Not Considered. (They
don't, however, get trusted to stay in the pens in her complete absence.)
Our dogs would really have to work to go OVER our backyard fence but there
is a space at the bottom of the gate that a schnauzer on her side could go
through in seconds. They make NO effort to go over or under the fence -
even when there is a rabbit inches away on the other side. (Rabbits
understand fences also.)
I know many large dogs who are penned in the kitchen of their own house by
an expanding window screen that they could step over.
And I also know that we kept a redbone and her pups in a run with a six foot
fence. One day, the guys stuck one of the beagles in there to keep him out
of their way for just a little while. This was a beagle who probably, based
on his legs, had as much basset blood in him as beagle. He climbed that
fence and beat the guys to the house.
I also was at an agility trial where there was the cry of "Loose dog!". The
dog was a standard poodle. Several of us took chase. We followed that dog
back to her own x-pen. Where she opened the gate, let herself back in and
then latched the gate again. Within the pen was a smaller, much more secure
pen that held a JRT.
Apparently fences - and barriers - are what you make them.
~~Judy
Melinda Shore
Judy
> In article <3s27j7F...@individual.net>,
> Judy <dou...@cableracer.com> wrote:
> >Apparently fences - and barriers - are what you make them.
>
> Nonsense. 'Cause deer are the natural world's eggheads.
I watched a VERY large black bear in British Columbia go through a highway
fence. He bounced off it twice and the third time, wire and posts flew in
all directions.
I don't know what that says about HIS intelligence but I had a camera within
reach and never thought to take a single picture until it was all over.
~~Judy
culprit
"sighthounds & siberians" <x...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:gconl1hkngleusuj7...@4ax.com...
> Borzoi are not stupid.
I'm sure they're not stupid, it was one anecdote and i forgot my smiley,
sorry about that. one of them did escape when the fence got open. she ran
right over to me for pets, i put a martingale and a leash on her, and walked
her right home. so i know she likes to get out and visit friends, i'm just
surprised she never jumps the fence. this was the younger. maybe she just
follows mom's example most of the time. mom does seem a bit smarter. :-)
it's certainly a breed i love. i want a sighthound someday, but the husband
thinks borzoi have the pointiest noses in the world, so i'll settle for an
Ibizan. i want a fuzzy one though.
-kelly
sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
egads, the husband thinks Borzoi are funny-looking so you'll settle
for an Ibizan? Has husband seen Ibizans?
Mustang Sally
culprit
>
> egads, the husband thinks Borzoi are funny-looking so you'll settle
> for an Ibizan? Has husband seen Ibizans?
yeah, he thinks they have cute tails. i think Borzoi are elegant. he
thinks Ibizans are cute and likes to say "ibithan".
probably wind up with a retired racing grey one of these days anyway. that
whole "if i'm not gonna show or breed, i'm gonna adopt" thing.
-kelly
sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
>
>"sighthounds & siberians" <x...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
>news:nt3ol11rgeqrtv1h9...@4ax.com...
>>
>> egads, the husband thinks Borzoi are funny-looking so you'll settle
>> for an Ibizan? Has husband seen Ibizans?
>
>yeah, he thinks they have cute tails. i think Borzoi are elegant. he
>thinks Ibizans are cute and likes to say "ibithan".
Heh. Well, grooming has got to be a whole lot easier with Ibizans,
even the fuzzy ones.
>probably wind up with a retired racing grey one of these days anyway. that
>whole "if i'm not gonna show or breed, i'm gonna adopt" thing.
I doubt you'll find many (any) Ibizans in rescue, but there are quite
a few Borzoi in rescue. Then again, depending on what you're looking
for in a dog, it's hard to beat ex-racers as companions.
We just had one returned this week; his second bounce. At his first
home, the husband died, and the wife said Nick (the dog) was pining
for her husband, and she felt he needed a home with a man. I tried to
explain that Nick was grieving, as she was, and needed her
understanding. She really thought he needed a different home, and
eventually placed him with another of our adopters who knew and liked
Nick. Found out later (as in last week) that Nick was supposedly
marking her husband's bed, and this was one of the reasons she wanted
to rehome him. At the second home, Nick continued to mark
occasionally. When the adopters finally told me about the problem
this past summer, I made some suggestions, which they did not follow,
and since he continued to mark, they returned him last week. He's now
8 1/2. Apparently it's not a happy marriage, and I can't help but
wonder how much of the marking was due to anxiety. Ex-racing
greyhounds are great, but their adopters are often pretty stupid.
Mustang Sally
culprit
>>
> We just had one returned this week; his second bounce. At his first
> home, the husband died, and the wife said Nick (the dog) was pining
> for her husband, and she felt he needed a home with a man. I tried to
> explain that Nick was grieving, as she was, and needed her
> understanding. She really thought he needed a different home, and
> eventually placed him with another of our adopters who knew and liked
> Nick. Found out later (as in last week) that Nick was supposedly
> marking her husband's bed, and this was one of the reasons she wanted
> to rehome him. At the second home, Nick continued to mark
> occasionally. When the adopters finally told me about the problem
> this past summer, I made some suggestions, which they did not follow,
> and since he continued to mark, they returned him last week. He's now
> 8 1/2. Apparently it's not a happy marriage, and I can't help but
> wonder how much of the marking was due to anxiety. Ex-racing
> greyhounds are great, but their adopters are often pretty stupid.
yeah, Manu's girlfriend is an ex racer called Tia. they hang out at the
motorcycle races together because Tia's dad and I both volunteer. she's a
beautiful pale brindle, and oh so dainty. Manu becomes instant gentleman
around her, even letting her eat his dropped food (something i've never seen
him do before). he looks up at her and sometimes gives her tentative
kisses. i think he's quite smitten with her. i know i am. when they met,
she had something in her mouth, and Manu was trying to give her a sniff, and
she gave him one bark. her dad looked around and said "was that Tia??? i'd
never heard her bark before!" after that, it was instant harmony. Manu
never even growled. he knew who was in charge. they're the only dogs
invited into the lunch area, and if another dog comes near, Manu will sound
the alarm so someone can chase them off.
it's so funny so see her standing there at the starting line, waiting for
the bikes to get the green light, as if to say, "you have no idea how lovely
retirement is", before lying down for a nice nap on her blanket. :-)
she has completely stolen my heart and made me fall completely in love with
grays. who knew. i thought i was a terrier person for life.
-kelly
flick
> At the second home, Nick continued to mark
> occasionally. When the adopters finally told me about the problem
> this past summer, I made some suggestions, which they did not follow,
> and since he continued to mark, they returned him last week. He's now
> 8 1/2. Apparently it's not a happy marriage, and I can't help but
> wonder how much of the marking was due to anxiety.
We had some marking problems here. I made a few belly bands and applied
them regularly.
I guess being damp was a punishment, bec. the marking problem stopped. Or
something else was going on that I didn't know about, and the end of marking
was a coincidence.
flick 100785
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
Is that a CONSTANT, ilanipi?
> Doh!
Ooops!
> -ilan
Then The Amazing Puppy Wizard can figger
you AIN'T gonna discuss HIS reply to your
original post, eh?
Oh, bye the bye, seein as you've already
broached the subject, malinda IS a NAZI...
"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. When
you lie with pigs you'll awaken stinkin like
'm," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{); ~ ) >
Adios.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
Subject: Re: Separation Anxiety in my Weimaraner
HOWEDY STLdeals,
STLde...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks to those who provided legitimate feedback.
You mean the liars dog abusers cowards and active
acute long term chronic incurable MENTAL CASES,
STLdeals.
> Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
THEY ALL GOT HYPERACTIVE FEAR AGGRESSIVE
DEATHLY ILL DOGS, STLdeals.
> To the wackos who insist on typing LIKE this THE
> while THREAD, please post your ramblings elsewhere.
ONLY DOG ABUSERS LIARS COWARDS and MENTAL
CASES post here abHOWETS, STLdeals.
> We are making slow progress,
That so? The Amazing Puppy Wizard CITED SEVEN CASE
HISTORIES of NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS rehabilitating
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, you freakin imbecile.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard will NHOWE give you a few
more POSTED CASE HISTORIES of NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS
rehabilitating separation anXXXIHOWESNES just to make
you LOOK and FEEL like the miserable lying dog abusing
punk thug coward mental case you are:
LeeCharlesKelley (professional trainer, author) Wrote:
>From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this
particular model of learning? You don't
think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.
Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.
He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?
Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?
And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.
If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)
I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.
My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
- yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!
It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
Robin wrote:
> You know, Jerry, to tell you the truth, what do
> I care if anyone killfiles me?
These are the same cretins who murdered Christ for
bein NON VIOLENT and TEACHIN STUFF most folks DON'T
LIKE, like NOT HURTIN each other <{); ~ ) >
> And this is the truth - if I post a question,
> I find it more valuable to receive responses
> from open thinkers. Anyone who would killfile
> me kind of handles the elimination process for me.
INDEEDY. Life gets EZ when you EXXXPECT some bumps...
HOWEver, you'll get over it, no DHOWET.
> It all works out somehow.
Yeah. Let's hear HOWE you do with that little separation
anXXXHOWESNESS problem...certainly professor SCRUFF SHAKE
and sharon too will be eager to hear all the good news.
> Listen, I thought of another question I've been meaning
> to ask you for awhile, and maybe you've explained it in
> your manual and I just missed it, but you say when doing
> your techniques to give NON PHYSICAL praise.
Right. It's all througHOWET the text.
> What is the reason for this?
This'll EXXXPLAIN THAT:
"It Already Worked Miracles With Our Three Dogs.
The Barking At The Door Has Diminished So Much
That, Well, Frankly, We're Stunned. Anyway, Your
Approach Is Amazing,' Melisand."
From: "LEE " <NOT LeeCharlesKelley>
To: <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: Wits end training in England
HOWEDY Lee,
> Hi,
> I have stumbled across your training method on the internet
EXCELLENT!
Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence.
> and I am pleased to say, one part of it has worked
> already after only 3 days of training.
Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and
PRECISELY. It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unforgiving
of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods.
> I own two boxers, one of which is a rescue dog who
> sufferred from 'seperation anxiety'
SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break.
> and would constantly chew his bedding in his crate
> when in the house alone. After only 2 sessions of
> praising his favourite nylon bone and leaving it in
> front of the crate before leaving, the behaviour is gone!
> Lee.
HOWETSTANDING!
From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!
Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
your manual and have started working with
the dogs...
"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
"The Destroyer") has already shown
great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)
She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".
We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
not a thing was touched when we got back!
We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
that interested in toys and was still very uptight
about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
seemed to work.
We both work all day today so we'll see
how that goes... Regardless, we will be
cool as cukes when we get home! ;)
I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
to get through to her! We're very excited about
her progress thus far...
Thank You!
Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!
__________________________________
Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3b1110ff...@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
> Hi!
> I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> anxiety surrogate toy technique."
> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it a try with
> my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> Comments? Yves Dussault
Yves,
I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time.
I just used it last evening while my husband and I went out
to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of a movie,
but at least the house wasn't chewed from end to end in the
meantime).
Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other
distraction/praise techniques described therein.
If you are interested in the manual, you will
probably want to begin the exercises as well.
Regards,
Lisa
===========
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 25 May 2005 12:34:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Should I take the 'Puppy Wizard' seriously?
And yet, I can tell you from first hand experience that
this claim is justified (except the part about "sitting
naked", for which we have to take The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
word) in the case of two dogs who are living half the world
away from him - MY two dogs.
For instance, he told me exactly what to do when Bonnie was
barking with excitement as someone she loved was arriving,
and his advice worked... like magic!
Also, his advice about how to deal with her fear of thunder
was the ONLY thing that could calm her down.
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
===================
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the
acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from
one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.
So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot
of blame that we have to accept, but once we
realize that we've caused these problems to
arise, we can strive to make things better.
AIMEE
=================
"Robin Barr" <robinba...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:robinbarr1-E5829...@news.west.cox.net
...
> In article
> <O31ud.13611$r72.108...@weber.videotron.net>,
> regimbalm <regimb...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> MauiJNP wrote:
> > my dog tries to jump up on the table. he did it
> > today when I wasn't there and he ate my nephew's
> > food. My sister was home, I wasn't. My mom
> > said if he does it again, he will have to find a
> > new house. I believe her.
>
> > She will kick him (rather us as I will never
> > get rid of him) out. what should I do?
>
> > she I squirt him with water when he tries
> > to jump on the chairs? I don't want to have to
> > smack him bottom or nose or something like that.
> > Should I feed him from the table so he is not so
> > desparate to get up there? or will that make it
> > worse? right now, he NEVER gets anything from
> > the table. thanks for any help.
>
>> why don't you tie him outside during the meals and
>> if he try to go on the table do the same go tie
>> him and verbally reprehend him . He needs to
>> learn it's not ok to jump on table.
>>
>> I would also suggest you go a do basic obedience
>> training you need to learn how to control your
>> dog, good luck
>
I'm only jumping in on this thread now, so don't
know if the Puppy Wizard responded to the original
poster with a link to his Wit's End Dog Training
Manual, which he offers at no cost. Although you
are correct to say the dog needs to learn to not
jump on the table, and your suggestion would
certainly contain the dog, I don't think it would
TEACH the dog very effectively or quickly.
>
The Puppy Wizard (Jerry) offers a very quick, kind
and gentle way to teach a dog anything, even
eliminating separation anxiety and allergies. I
hope the original poster sees this, and if you own a
dog, perhaps you might be interested in taking a
look also. You'll find it's so much quicker (and
kinder, and gentler) than any other method.
>
The proof is in the pudding, right?
>
Just give it a try. You've heard the old saying,
you get more with honey than vinegar. If you
do try this method and find it effective, please
pass it on to other pet owners.
>
You'll be doing a good deed. I'm planning
to email it to my friends, relatives, and business
associates who are pet owners as a Christmas
or Chanukah gift.
>
And more, if you have any questions about the
training method, or run into difficulties, unlike
the tone of many of the Puppy Wizard's posts (aka
the Grim Reaper), you'll find him extremely helpful,
always available, patient (yes, I said patient:) and
kind (yes, I said kind:).
>
Here's the link:
http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
Robin
> and have decided to consult a certified bahaviorist
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!!
The Amazing Puppy Wizard can CURE separation
anXXXIHOWESNESS AUTOMAGICKALLY, to boot:
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6786-3C0...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Thanks Tricia9999, that was an interesting read!
Course my little gray box seems to be working...
Buddy stopped biting the baby! No negative side-
effects seen occurring...not to the bird, the
other bird or Zelda. ~misty
From: "Regina Guerrero" <>
To: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM
Subject: Thank You!
I just wanted to take a bit of time
to tell you how much I appreciate your product
and your training methods as well.
When my little Chihuahua first arrived
I was overwhelmed with her anxiety and
her ability to just Bark endlessly.
I received your product and at first I thought
I was using it wrong, because my puppy just
seemed to ignore it.
But after a week or two, she began to calm down
considerably as well as act more friendly towards
people on the street.
I can't believe the difference I see in my
little puppy. Your product is a life saver!
Thanks again for everything.
Sincerely,
Regina Guerrero
From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST
Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.
A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.
She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.
Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog
Dear Jerry,
I hope you'll be able to post this message so more
people who are at their wit's end will be able to help
their dogs.
To review:
Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms.
At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly
from room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep.
>From there the problem grew. She would run to the far
southeast corner of the house (which makes sense
because most storms here come from the northwest)
and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake.
!st attempt to help her:
I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut -
I've sung to her when I've done her daily brushing since
she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she
relaxed, I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I
thought the problem was solved.
Traumatic event:
We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy
friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there
was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard.
>From that day on, the problem got worse and worse.
I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder,
just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out.
The solution:
I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's
End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy
Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came
across.
A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and
Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me
to try both the manual and the product.
Problem solved:
I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he is
most generous with his time and advice). The first two
thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running
around in a blind panic.
The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger
bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she
seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my
feet and she napped through the rest of the storm.
A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry
for his manual and his machine.
A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a
machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took
the chance because Jerry offered a full refund
including shipping.
Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When
I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most
quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to
say: "What's that? I never heard that before."
She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor
beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware
of its cycles.
Amazing.
Thank you Jerry.
=============
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news:
21047-3CAD0E8A-...@storefull-2291.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Jerry sent me the DDR when I mentioned my cockatoo
was stressed out by my then just learning to walk baby.
Buddy was screaming day and night.. lunging at Joey
whenever he crawled up to Buddy's cage and nipping
the baby ( if Buddy wanted to his beak is powerful
enough to sever an adult's finger in one snap!)
At first we noticed nothing... after a few days ..
nothing.. nothing except quiet :-)
That's not to say Buddy never screams.. heh.. he's
a 'Too.. but the late night scream-a-thons ended.
He also tolerates Joey playing in his water dish <sigh>
just what I want...2 splashers! Buddy loves to bathe in
his water until there's more water on the floor and walls
than in his dish :-)
Twice now Buddy has had marathon scream-a-thons... for a
few days each time. It takes that long for me to realize
the DDR is unplugged :-O Once cos DH did some maintenance
and forgot to plug it back in ( of course he remembered
to plug the washing machine back in ;-P)
The second time I had unplugged it while sweeping... and
forgot to plug it back in...
We sure enjoy him being such a good bird! He's been so
loving to everyone... my older 2 boys love being able
to give him scritches again.
~misty
(No, Jerry, you can't have the DDR back just yet! :-)
===================
> to be sure were moving in the right direction.
You're a bit of a MENTAL CASE, eh, STLdeals???
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes:
I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems.
I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately
100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,
president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for
Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county
commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
director of two different shelters, etc.).
Thanks, Elaine,
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes: Sep 9, 2000
"I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and
the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does
indeed exist.
I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing
aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,
but our cats and even us.
She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him to
take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any
aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression
towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.
It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed
before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets to
euthanize her.
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Melbourne, FL
Hi Jerry,
I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since
borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very
highly of it.
So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I
wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every
one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few
hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no
comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,
I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really
going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.
So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just
how many were asleep already - with their feet in the air! I
started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the
morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly
to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.
I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday
Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I
wasn't so sure about the amount of the day time effect.
Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had
resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine's house
and if she would notice :)
I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues
Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God
bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I
also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and
she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly
meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.
So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way
about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate
it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but
don't know if that is advised, even with my situation of so
many new ones coming and (too few) going.
Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc.
I think the vets should have the info in their offices.
It must help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet
practices homeopathic as well as traditional medicine,
so I would think it would be right up her alley.
Thank you
Desiree M Webber
A New Leash On Life
Hi Jerry, (update 10/31/00)
Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat
reports all is well. She has been running DDR for well
over a week now and JR has not beaten up on any of
the other cats. Gillie the smallest female cat was living
in the bathroom and JR was attacking her every day.
Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day
she had the DDR and came home to good news "no hair
all over the room." Now she is leaving the bathroom
door open all the time and JR has not attacked Gillie.
Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the bed but
JR got soooo....bad he would almost maul her if she came
into the bedroom. Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came
into the bedroom and JR just looked at her and ignored her.
Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR
outside or having him euthanized. Will update you in
another week or so.
Thanks, Elaine
Apr 25, 05:59 PM
Margaret Hoffman
Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe
I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it
incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for
about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe,
Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several
failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class"
environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high
spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are
an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky
enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do
Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea.
His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a
dog that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her.
After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on
furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on
the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a
very long story and I won't bore you with all the details, but
suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog
and for us.
Marge Hoffman
P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won't sell
you my DDR!
Hi Jerry,
Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3
weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still
on the lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now
much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not
perfect but much improved! I do think that you need a more
universal name as it appears to have drastically cut the
spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat
situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats
club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the
members have some of the same problems with their cats.
It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights.
Thanks, Elaine
Hi,
Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least
number of times during the day. We are going to try putting
it on the next setting and see if that will completely solve
our problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the
spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work.
Will let you know. Yes, feel free to use my post. If you
sell to people with cat spray problems though you might
want to recommend that they do what we did.
We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme
product that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a
long time and it usually only slows them down for a week or
two, so I know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the
success we are seeing right now. We were resigned to
constant cleaning and even then it was difficult to keep up
with. I don't know if you have forgotten but we have 19 cats.
Elaine.
Dear Jerry-
I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
tremendously pleased.
As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is just
the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately 500 feet
away, and even at that distance, the machine has done wonders.
You were always available and patient to answer my
questions, and now I can be in my own home without going
nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure, all the other
minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood have stopped
as well.
Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.
Pam Graves
You can get all the information you need to PROPERLY
handle and train your dog using non force, non
confronatational, scientific and psychological conditioning
and deconditioning techniques in the Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual available for free at
http://www.doggydoright.com
The Wits' End Dog Training Method manual is provided
compliments of the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves as an
alternative to Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will Too).
For additional FREE help for any dog or cat
behavior questions, please call or write.
============
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
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Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG.
I have a very loud cockatoo who has been having problems
adjusting to my 8 month old son.
Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage
as a hold on for dear life object.
Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my
older two boys went through this stage in a different
house where Buddy had his own room and the boys had
only visits, not daily contact 24/7.
Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey
has been driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval
by non-stop screaming.
A cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all
the widows shut <g being in the house it makes your
ears pop and your nerves crawl.
Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on
how to use it. He answered my questions quite politely.
I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy
is located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.
At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior.
Then I realized after a week that he no longer screamed
for hours on end. This isn't to say he stopped completely
<bg he still demands his share of all meals.
But he doesn't start screaming at 10 pm when he wants
everyone_ to go to bed.
Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My
nerves were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch
per Jerry's instructions.
I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back on
and left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back
down and quit screaming.
In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of
c*ts come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the
sweetie. He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon (means c*t
monster) who is very friendly with my kids and Zelda.
I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do
like the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget
I like things that are free. I also like the fact that
I can e-mail him and get advice whenever I need it.
Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks
the DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree
in electronics, knows alot about radios and anything
mechanical... he's a jack of all trades around the house
<g). He does NDT for a living.
We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as
Joey is walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a
strange animal.. some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg.
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Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have a very loud
cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting to my 8 month old son.
Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as a hold on for
dear life object.
Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older two boys went
through this stage in a different house where Buddy had his own room
and the boys had only visits, not daily contact 24/7. Buddy has always
been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has been driving him nuts! He
showed his disapproval by non-stop screaming. A cockatoo scream can be
heard a block away with all the widows shut <g being in the house it
makes your ears pop and your nerves crawl.
Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to use it. He
answered my questions quite politely.
I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is located~
teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.
At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then I realized
after a week that he no longer screamed for hours on end. This isn't to
say he stopped completely <bg he still demands his share of all meals.
But he doesn't start screaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone_ to go
to bed.
Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My nerves were
frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's instructions. I
discovered the DDR was shut off!
I turned it back on and left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed
back down and quit screaming. In the time that I've had the DDR on I've
had a lot of c*ts come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the
sweetie. He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who is
very friendly with my kids and Zelda.
I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like the methods
he shares. Being on a limited budget I like things that are free. I
also like the fact that I can e-mail him and get advice whenever I need
it.
Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the DDR is
working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree in electronics, knows alot
about radios and anything mechanical... he's a jack of all trades
around the house <g). He does NDT for a living. We don't expect to need
the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey is walking, Buddy will realize that
he's not a strange animal.. some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg. So,
yes, there are some of us out here who do appreciate Jerry's methods if
not his condemnation of other "regulars".
Honey, flies that sort of thing.... ~misty
=====================
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
> Thanks,
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHHAHAAAA!!!
> -Brent
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:12:10 -0400
Subject: Re: OT Dolphin Therapy -
Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did Too)
Hello dottie,
"dottie macdonald" <ms.ada...@att.net> wrote in message
news:numpktgirnluq19eo...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:24:46 -0500 (CDT),
> Momi...@webtv.net (misty) wrote:
> >dottie macdonald wrote:
> ><snip>
> >> i do still wonder what you expected to
> >> accomplish with the post. where are you
> >> heading with it? i think if the people
> >> here knew that ahead of time, they
> >> might be more inclined to play along.
> >>--dottie
> > Thank you for the reply...I didn't think I was doing
> > anything wrong but then again I'm not a lawyer either<g>
> > Where are my posts leading to...why to the conclusion that
> > sound waves have been used to modify behaviors ( in people
> > as well as animals).
> from the parts of the study that i examined, i thought
> the results were basically inconclusive. but i am willing
> to accept the idea that sound can affect behaviors. but
> that leaves a lot of area open for debate.
Yeah. That's why I'll let the academics debate.
> > The more I looked into using sound as a training tool the
> > more impressed I became. I'm not talking the way out,
> > FBI is awatchin ya, mind control sites...more along the
> > lines of the ones I've posted. Ones with scentific, proven
> > methods that work. Where there are actual studies that have
> > been done and new ones for different ideas being tested today.
> > The more I have read, the more credible the DDR
> > has became to me.
Don't worry about it. I still pinch myself everyday...
> without even owning one?
I wouldn't want to be without one.
> why are you ready to so easily believe the
> outrageous claims made here about the ddr?
Because those outrageous claims are made by an expert on dog
behavior, for starters. And it's verified by hundreds of unbiased,
satisfied users.
> what scientifically conducted study have you ever read that
> supported the ddr in any way?
Scientific studies were done by myself. I couldn't find any
competent experts in the field. Do you know any experts in this
field besides me? Look around real hard. THINK. If there were
EXPERTS in this field, they would have Doggy Do Right (And Kitty
Will Too). They don't. That means I'm the expert. According to
deductive reasoning. See? EZ stuff.
> > Since I'm not a Psycho Acoustic kind of person, I can't
> > determine if the machine works or not but...I stumbled
> > onto a PA e-mail list where they discussed the DDR...I
> > never saw anyone saying it couldn't be done.
Right. They just say that here. They don't like training devices
which don't hurt. They need that feeling of control. Non force
methods takes away their sense of power.
> do you automatically believe everything must be true
> that hasn't yet been unequivocally disproved?
Well, my methods aren't accepted here, except by the folks who've
used them according to my instructions, because our Thugs can't
understand training dogs without hurting them. Our Thugs would love
my machine if it hurt dogs to train them.
> > All three of my posts mention the state of entraining,
> > it's a state of mind where you become calm, relaxed and
> > receptive to learning. That sounds like an ideal way to
> > be when I want to learn something new. If the DDR can
> > do that with animals....that's awesome.
Damn sure is.
> yes, it would truly be awesome! and rather earth
> shattering, too, not to mention very profitable for
> the inventor.
HOWE about that?
> and all the inventor would have to do to cash in is to have some
> independent testing conducted on the ddr
By the experts in the field? What field, psycho acoustics? The
experts are debating that issue, my dogs' not in that fight. Dog
training? That's my field. I don't have any superiors in my field,
thank you. My machine is the result of many years of hard work
and a lot of cold cash.
> and then wait for the checks to start rolling in,
> along with invitations to the Tom Brokaw evening
> news show, interviews with top kennel club executives,
> veterinary organizations, etc.
Yup. You'll be seeing plenty of me once I do my press releases. I
haven't really done any yet. This is basically our little secret.
> i wonder why that hasn't happened in the case of the ddr?
Because it's a big chore bringing a new product to market. You can't
do it standing on one foot.
> >You (anyone) don't have to like Jerry, you don't have to believe
in
> >the DDR but it doesn't hurt to keep an open mind.
I didn't come here to be liked. My interest in rpdb was to identify,
expose, and discredit our koehler and shock collar Thugs who have
conspired for years to repress non force trainers here to protect
their
alleged right to hurt dogs to train them.
My methods and machine stand on their own.
> i don't like jerry as a human being.
Because I don't tolerate Thugs jerking and choking and shocking and
beating and killing dogs and calling themselves trainers?
> i think he's an absolutely dreadful human being.
Lemme see. We got dogman who tells Paul and Marty
he'd need to hurt their dogs MOORE than they'd like
to break a behavior my methods broke in a few minutes
over a couple of days.
Our Thugs agreed, and tell people to jerk and choke
and shock their dogs to make them friendly, and beat
their dogs with a stick to motivate them (see amy dahl's
stick fetch), and kill their dogs because they're afraid
of them after they've hurt them.
And you think I'm dreadful for pointing these
minor issues out to the public?
> but i'd still purchase every ddr he could make
> and do whatever i could do to see to it that
> every dog owner, trainer, breeder, veterinarian,
> kennel, etc., had one if he could prove that it
> work as claimed. and so would many other philanthropic
> organizations.
Yeah. And that's just for starters.
> at the same time, i'm a little confused.
No doubt.
> if you believe that the ddr works, why haven't_you_bought
> one yet? if i even suspected that it_might_work, i would
> have bought one by now.
Perhaps she's saving her pennies? I've got a bunch of DDR
owners who have bought two or three units for their friends
and families and their second homes or to cover their entire
farms with remote units.
> who wouldn't want to own something that can...
> "gently break barking, howling, digging, whining, chewing,
> hyperactivity, separation anxiety, any compulsive or obsessive
> behaviors, even carsickness and fear of thunder! Additionally,
> neighborhood cats will not be fighting at night outside your
> window, or spraying that repulsive odor around your
> home and yard!
I should probably tone it down, huh? Whaddaya thaink?
Too much too soon?
> "dog and cat behavior problems simply melt away! No skill
> required, no manuals to study, no exercises to practice.
> Just plug it in, and flip the switch.
> "stops barking in minutes
> "quiets your entire neighborhood,
> "better than training, Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will
> Too) solves behavior problems even the best trainers
> and behaviorists find difficult, even impossible, to
> correct.
So says the best dog trainer in the business.
> "end hyperactivity, fear of thunder, carsickness, excessive
> barking, howling, digging, pacing, chewing, whining, separation
> anxiety, submissive urination, "territorial" marking, even
> begging for food, virtually any and all malbehaviors can be
> improved/trained"
That's a fact.
> yes, misty, who wouldn't buy one if it worked?
That why Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will Too) is 100%
money back, satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER. And there's
a two year free repair/replace warranty. And there's a
25% discount for all shelter and rescue folks, regardless
of their tax exempt status. IOW, if they ask, they get it,
and my BIOSOUND Scientific Elves kick in the balance.
> we could probably clear out every dog shelter
> in america, couldn't we?
We'd certainly make all the dogs more comfortable.
My Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will Too) cures behavior
problems. Even stops Tom Kats from spraying.
And now it's gonna be called Doggy Do Right (And Kitty
Will And A Rooster Did Too). It broke a rooster from
crowing every minute from 5 a.m. till 11 a.m. The bird
now crows about once an hour. So, put that in your pipe
and fire it up because it's for real and your rpdb dog
abusers would rather hurt our dogs and LIE about it..
> and prevent them from filling up again so quickly.
That's why I'm here first, and not there. The handling
and training needs to be done properly, and then there
won't be any need for my Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will
Too) in the shelters because the dogs won't be coming
into the shelters because they won't be having behavior
problems because of proper handling and training.
> so why isn't it being done?
Because our lying, dog abusing Thugs would rather hurt
and kill dogs than admit that Jerry is right about handling
and training them without force, fear, or confrontation.
They need to be stopped.
That's why I'm here.
Even professor dermer CAN'T come up with any criticism
of my methods. He did look like a wise guy with cindy
mooreon when they were having a blast making fun of my
Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique. That lasted
about a week, on account of Marilyn had given it to a
student of hers with serious SA destruction problems,
and it worked from the 1st time they used it. Marilyn
reported back here that her students were in tears of
joy because my method saved them from having to get
rid of her dog.
That was the last time we heard professor lying
doc dermer discussing my methods because he promptly
killfiled me and Marilyn.
>From another post:
> The use of a Doggy Do Right, interestingly, is
> never mentioned in his training manual,
EXACTLY.
There's NO for sale items in my FREE
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual.
Got any complaints about that?
> which would appear to indicate that one or the
> other is superfluous.
Or both independently EXCELLENT and STAND ON THEIR OWN.
Anyone doubting the veracity of the endorsements
of Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will Too) given by
Elaine McClung or Desiree Webber should contact
the secretary of http://www.spacecats.com or call
their hotline and ask them to have those people
contact you to verify the veracity of their
endorsements, the credibility of Jerry Howe,
and their satisfaction with Doggy Do Right (and
Kitty Will Too) and the Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual.
> While some of the practices described in the manual
> are accepted practice,
Most of it was unheard of when I came here. There
is no valid criticism of any of my methods and
everyone who has tried them has got the results they
wanted just as quick and easy as I say they will.
> interested readers are probably better off going to
> the original material that his manual was cobbled
> together from.
An excellent choice. Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training. j:-}
NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
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Rocky
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> But see, this wasn't to get you post your own SAT/IQ
> scores. It was to post the pseudo-equivalent of your DOG'S
> SAT/IQ scores. That's WAY different.
42!
Rocky
> probably wind up with a retired racing grey one of these
> days anyway.
Yep. I'm pretty sure I'll have one someday.
TheAmazing...@mail.com
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <1129988551.2...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I find this especially distasteful since
> >I'm convinced that the test writers are the kind of failed
> >dilettantes I abhor.
>
> Me too! I way prefer failed experts.
>
> I don't see much value in ranking intelligence, except
> perhaps as a status statistic and that's more about
> perceived value than actual value. One of my dogs is just
> plain dumb as a sack of hair, but she does her job
> extraordinarily well and is exceptionally sweet, to boot.
> She's a great sleddog and she's a great companion and pet.
> Would she be a better dog if she weren't a slow learner?
> No, not in any way that makes a real difference.
Your dog AIN'T a "slow learner".
You're an INCOMPETENT trainer.
> Back in the old days of Usenet it was considered a "score"
> if you could manipulate someone into posting his SAT scores
> or IQ score without explicitly asking for it.
Yeah? These days The Amazing Puppy Wizard just looks
up and QUOTES their posted CASE HISTORIES to IDENTIFY
EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT the dog abusers liars and
mental cases.
> There's some value, I suppose.
Yeah. Like when you didn't train your dog to destroy
your bedroom she LEARNED HOWE to do that on your own:
"But you have no desire to train your dogs not to
ruin your bedroom in your absence, obviously.
http://www.employees.org/~shore/trashedbedroom2.jpg
It's what the trained dogs of our friend Melinda have
done, when left alone at home." Lucy.
SEE?
Thurs,Jun 16 2005 4:17 am
Subject: Re: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two
HOWEDY malinda,
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <robin4joy-49BEBF.23045015062.....@news.west.cox.net>,
> Robin <robin4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [nothing of value]
"Success!" is what Robin wrote, malinda.
Robin wrote that she CURED her 12 year old dogs
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
using her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{);~ ) >
> jeebus but you're a selfish, inconsiderate dimwit.
That so? Didn't you want to know HOWE she done it, malinda?
> Plonk.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAHAAAA!!!
> --
> Melinda Shore - Software
Date: 22 Mar 2005 07:59:50 -0800
Local: Tues,Mar 22 2005 10:59 am
Subject: Re: OT:Can we do a roll call?
HOWEDY malinda, you lyin dog abusing punk
thug coward mental case,
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <9026-423CC6F0...@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>,
> Dana P <DisneyDanaNoS...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> No need to reply, you are a complete waste of
>> human space, I've said my peace and nothing you
>> could have to say would be worth my time.
> Buh-bye! ^K
No, it AIN'T O.K., malinda. The Amazing
Puppy Wizard SEZ you miserable lying dog
abusing mental cases can't post here abHOWETS
nodoGgamenedMOORE:
> Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware
> brevis - s...@panix.com
From: michael <c...@dogtv.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:01:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Training with Wits End
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <3e60d...@clear.net.nz>,
> Paul B <NOS...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>
>> People are invited to read Jerry's manual and draw
>> their own conclusions, just as they are entitled to
>> naively attend a Koehler dog training course and
>> draw their own conclusions.
> By stating the choice like this you're implying,
> perhaps deliberately, that the choice is between
> Jerry and Koehler, that if you're not following
> Jerry's mish-mash of stolen material then you're
> necessarily hanging your dog.
> This ridiculous construction is why people really
> dislike Jerry rather than simply ignoring him.
> Aside from people taking personal affront,
> it's a lie.
You tell lies about Jerry every time you open your
fat mouth you stupid ugly despicable defamating c#@t
from heel.
You just said he has no dogs and that he's not a dog
trainer. Both massive defamatory lies, designed to
defame and discredit, you dumbfucking fugly fatass
ugly dumb fucking c&#t from heel. What the fuck planet
do you live on that you think you can get away with
this crap and then turn around and call somebody a
liar ???
You and your pals lie and slander every time you say
Jerry stole his methods and you lie every time you
talk about the "original sources" that you never
provide.
You tell lie upon lie upon lie until you suffocate in
your own bullshit. There's not a dog trainer alive with
a mOORe original and a mOORe unique and un"stolen"
methodogy than Jerry Howe.
It's not our fault that you can't get a date! Take your
lies and bitterness and poison somewhere else. YOu have
nothing to offer here but LIES, SLANDER, INNUENDO,
BITTERNESS, and SELF-HATE.
Jerry is a SAINT compared to you. At least he does
SOMETHING good for people.
You do nothing. You are wretched and despicable and
beneath the most lowly of contempt. You disgust me
utterly. As liars come, you're about the best that
Usenet has to offer. You have no shame and you have
no conscience.
Here's a newsgroup for you:
rec.old.bitter.lonely.jewish.BUSH(as in
George)loving.lesbian.SUVdriving.terrorist.supporters
go there Malinda, Queen of Snakes. Begone and trouble us noMOORE
--
this is michael
reporting live...
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with the all
new & exciting
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HOWEDY malinda you lyin dog abusing mental case,
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <1113934000.638255.5...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> <lucyaa...@claque.net> wrote:
> > My only advice, Melinda, was that the original poster would
> > read Jerry's manual before doing what you guys are doing
> > WITHOUT having read it.
INDEEDY! professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer, HOWER ANAL-ytic
behaivorist from UofWI (associate of dr mark plonsky
veterinary ethologist UofWI) couldn't finish readin
past the introduction, where The Amazing Puppy Wizard
INDICTS HOWER UNIVERSITIES for corrupting BEHAVIORISM
based on their descartean thinking and ineptitud and
small fear ridden minds.
What do they FEAR?
INTELLIGENCE. They FEAR the INTELLIGENCE of CRITTERS.
They MUST DENY the ability of critters to THINK FEEL
and SUFFER or they couldn't do their SCIENCE of HURTIN
INTIMIDATING and MURDERIN innocent critters to benefit
mankind <{) ; ~ ) >
The ONLY folks HATED here abHOWETS MOORE than The
Amazing Puppy Wizard are the PeTA folks. But they
ain't got SOLUTIONS to animal cruelty other than
NOT KEEP critters in captivity, which when it gets
to the FACTS, is the ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION for the
UNTRAINABLE / OVERPUPULATION critters crisis...
AIN'T IT.
We got critters in zoos murderin their attendants
on accHOWENT of they're neglected and abused JUST
LIKE HOWE it happens in people's HOWESES based on
the ADVICE of HOWER PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS and
university behaivorists.
MOST of these MENTAL CASES dogs are DYIN from STRESS
INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASEaka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) >
> It was lousy advice.
Sez you? You GOT a dog / kat aggression PROBLEM yoursel
and YOU CAN'T FIX IT, can you, malinda imbecile idiot
university educated IT developer:
Tues,Apr 19 2005 6:54
Subject: Re: Introducing New Dog to Household Cats
sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:
>I was going to ask how cat things were coming
>with Crow and Eclipse.
Not great! I had been just closing off the upstairs bedroom
(a baby gate with the door fixed ajar about six inches keeps
the dogs out better than you'd expect), but the cats like to
hide in the wall of the linen closet (gotta love these old
houses!) when they're nervous and Crow and Eclipse tore
apart the linen closet to try to get to them. That's when I
closed off the upstairs entirely. They're also a bad
influence on Cinder, who started out thinking of the cats as
dinner but who had learned to live with them in peace until
her sisters arrived. I think it's possible but, frankly,
improbable that they're eventually going to be safe with the
cats. MALINDA.
--
THAT'S YOU.
> Jerry's manual didn't help you -
Lucy had PROBLEMS pryor to studying her FREE COPY of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual, and got her 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS JUST LIKE ALL The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD REPORT RIGHT HERE, like
Lucy, for EXXXAMPLE <{) ; ~ ) >
You punk thug coward mental cases call them LIARS
and FORGERIES and you can't post your lies abuse
and IDIOCY here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{) ; ~ ) >
> you didn't need help.
Lucy's CASE HISTORY is INDELLIBLY ARCHIVED FOREVER
in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's ARCHIVES on Google
and other fine news group archives and forums...
along with CHOWENTLESS OTHERS you call LIARS and
FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
Seems you bums got THAT idea from ed williams of
PET LOSS DOT CON, the WON who MOST SUFFERS when
folks don't have a TRAUMATIC EXXXPERIENCE with
PROBLEM DOGS and MURDER THEM like your pals kwbrown
and tara o. aka tee and Robert Crim as well as
C-HOWENTLESS OTHERS RIGHT HERE, the MENTAL CASES
who HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER their own critters
on accHOWENT of YOU PREFER TO HURT INTIMIDATE and
MURDER INNOCENT CRITTERS on accHOWENT of you're
VICTIMS of PARENTAL ABUSE <{) ; ~ ) >
> If your dog was actually predatory
You mean HUNGRY, malinda. Critters PREDATE
when they're HUNGRY, malinda <{) ; ~ ) >
IN FACT, that's HOWE COME dogs are SO EZ to
TRAIN, ESPECIALLY when they're IN PRAY DRIVE,
according to the EXXXPERTS who TRAIN DOGS
NEARLY INSTANLY using "NATURAL TRAINING"
according to Kevin Behan, LeeCharlesKelley
and Canis55 aka DEMONCHILD 666, and Parker.
But you bums call them LIARS on accHOWENT of
they EMBARRASS YOU, JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing
Puppy Wizard and ALL HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD
WORLD REPORT RIGHT HERE <{) ; ~ ) >
> you'd have found that Jerry's manual wouldn't
> help you with that problem,
That's NOT TRUE according to the CASE HISTORY
DATA in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's ARCHIVES.
IN FACT, The Amazing Puppy Wizard can CURE
AGGRESSION problems from 500' distance withHOWET
DOIN NUTHIN but turn on HIS Doggy Do RIGHT machine.
AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE CASE HISTORY DATA IN
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's ARCHIVES on Google...
BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
IT'S OVER, malinda. You bums can't post here noMOORE.
> and this "Jerry Howe - he's so *dreamy*!" stuff
> would have resulted in a dead cat.
NOT accordin to all the aggressive dogs REPORTED
to have been CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY <{) ; ~ ) >
"Paul B" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3edc...@clear.net.nz...
> "shaper" <nom...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3edb...@quokka.wn.com.au...
> > I have been reading these forums for a few weeks now,
> > and am getting really confused!!
> > but is there actually anyone who has used the
> > methods in this manual with any success ?
100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY INSTANTLY,
BY NEARLY EVERY FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Student.
It's the GENTLEST, FASTEST, MOST EFFECTIVE,NON FORCE,
NON CONFRONTATIONAL, NON BRIBE, SCIENTIFIC and
PSYCHOLOGICAL technique in the Whole Wild World, BAR NONE.
> > I am wanting to get a rhodesian ridgeback soon and
> > really would like to know the best and most effective
> > way of training without using food treats or violence
> > (i do agree with what the guy says about food treats
> > and violence)
> > Thanks for any intelligent replies
>
> I have tried his methods and found them extremely
> effective. There are several areas in particular
> I found useful.
> He teaches you and the dog to pay attention to each
> other all the time.
> He teaches you to have such good communication with
> your dog you don't need leash corrections or shock
> collars or even food, you can get the dogs attention
> any time you like by calling it or with a snap of your
> fingers.
> When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close to
> me I ended up going to the parks and teaching them without
> a lead at all, that ensured I had to use good communication
> and was unable to be tempted to use the lead to correct them.
> Another part of the training I agree with is not using
> the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no" or
> react with it in such a way that you become involved in
> the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach often
> results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you are about
> but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding, counter surfing etc).
> Basically you are taught to make your dog a good friend
> who likes and wants to work for you for the pleasure of
> working for you (setting the hierarchy is included in this),
> teach it to recall reliably, then to do everything else (sit,
> stay down etc etc).
> Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
> If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
> are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
> Paul
===============================
> I think that's a bad outcome -
Yeah. But YOUR DOGS are KAT AGGRESSIVE and
THERE AIN'T NO BEHAVIOR PROBLMES with The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's GREEN TRAINED Student's
dogs. HOWE COME?
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!
ON ACCHOWENT OF WE DON'T HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE
CRATE AND MURDER HOWER DOGS, malinda you freakin
lyin dog abusing mental case <{) ; ~ ) >
> the cat's welfare is a lot more important than
> whether or not Jerry's fan club adds a new member.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!
You mean, LIKE THIS WON?:
From: "Paul Bousie" <paulbou...@clear.net.nz>
To: "'Don Fitz'" <donfit...@hotmail.com>; <Ama...@DCFWatch.com>
Cc: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Jerry Howe
If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must
already have a good idea about what I think.
His methods are the best I have come across. They
aren't a quick fix but an entire training concept so if
you aren't in for the long haul then don't bother. If
you go his way then you have to forget all the other
gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe
in what you are doing, then and only then will you get
the results.
You can't combine his methods with other training
methods, not until you understand what you are
trying to achieve, and even then I have only ever
combined about 2 other trainers ideas and even
then just a snip of what they suggest which works
in parallel with the Wits End concept.
His methods make you as the trainer completely
responsible for your actions, his methods make
you think and work out your own solutions for
any given situation, the default (the recall) is
always there to get things under control again.
His ideas and concepts teach you to work with
the dog, to develop a team and a willingness to
work together which is surely the best way to be.
His methods don't use force or intimidation but
they do totally emphasize the absolute importance
of pack (family pack) structure, without that you
can achieve almost nothing.
If you are wondering how a dog can be trained
without any negativity the answer lies in the recall,
anytime your dog doesn't follow through with a
request you call him / her to you, since the recall
is the first thing taught and it is taught in such a
way it becomes a reflex the dog always returns
to you, it is a subordinate position for the dog and
we release it by asking for a "heel" which is an
"equal" position.
His methods are very good, his understanding of
dogs is excellent, I recommend his methods.
Paul Bousie
==============================
> Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -
You're a LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE, malinda <{) ; ~ ) >
"Paul B" <pand...@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c2a...@clear.net.nz...
Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at
all, people who find the manual useful are those that
don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego
but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to
live with. I would suggest the people who follow the
advice in his manual are people who have already
tried other inefficient methods and are fed up with
the poor results.
The more I think about the methods he suggests the
more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it
whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand
our values and I don't believe they are capable of
understanding them either, so to train them we use
methods they understand. That means abstract
training, doing sometimes what appears to
almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us.
If you are purely result orientated then you will not
find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
and love to work WITH them then his manual is
your dream come true. Distraction and praise works
with any dog, when you sit back and really think about
it, it's very obvious why.
When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not,
thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food
stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it
in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to
pursue that behaviour.
Better than hiding the garbage can eh?
Paul
=======================
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Good dogs!!! bad dogs.??
Date: 2000/10/21
Something occurred this morning that made me think how
we treat our dogs and what expectations we have of them.
Because it was a Saturday we slept in and the dogs
eventually jumped up on the bed on my wife's side. After
a brief greeting she very abruptly demanded they get down,
"OFF THE BED" she insisted, Sam looked at her perplexed,
so she repeated the "order", so Sam tried to lick her face,
"GET OFF" she said abruptly.
Sam got down but was unsure what he had done wrong. After
a bit they both came over and jumped up on my side, I patted
them etc and eventually asked them to get down, "off the bed,
good dogs" and they hopped off immediately with no prob's.
Eileen asked me why they obey me and not her so easily.
I told her they got down for me because I asked them to,
they know the command "off the bed" or "off anything" so
there is no need to demand it of them, ask them and they
will comply, demand it and they get confused because
they think you are annoyed with them but they don't know
why so they try to "make amends" which is why Sam licked her.
I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all
dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are
good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.
Telling Sam he's a good dog after he sit's apart from been too
late is also a gamble because if he doesn't sit then there's
no positive interaction.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your
dog thinking then responding everytime.
Paul
=======================
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.
Paul.
========================
Your Puppy Wizard. <}YPW ; - } >
sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
>yeah, Manu's girlfriend is an ex racer called Tia. they hang out at the
>motorcycle races together because Tia's dad and I both volunteer. she's a
>beautiful pale brindle, and oh so dainty. Manu becomes instant gentleman
>around her, even letting her eat his dropped food (something i've never seen
>him do before). he looks up at her and sometimes gives her tentative
>kisses. i think he's quite smitten with her. i know i am. when they met,
>she had something in her mouth, and Manu was trying to give her a sniff, and
>she gave him one bark. her dad looked around and said "was that Tia??? i'd
>never heard her bark before!" after that, it was instant harmony. Manu
>never even growled. he knew who was in charge.
They don't call 'em bitches for nothing. Female greyhounds are
amazingly good at being in charge.
>it's so funny so see her standing there at the starting line, waiting for
>the bikes to get the green light, as if to say, "you have no idea how lovely
>retirement is", before lying down for a nice nap on her blanket. :-)
Heh. Greyhounds are great ambassadors for retirement!
Mustang Sally
sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
Belly bands are a pretty good training aid or tool or whatever, and
they usually work well with greyhounds. Nick's been wearing one since
he arrived; it was wet twice within the first couple of days and has
been dry since. This couple claimed that they caught him in the act
and stopped him; maybe that's true and maybe it isn't. If it is true,
that makes it even more likely IMO that it's anxiety-related. Nick's
not a particularly dominant dog.
I just wish belly bands worked as well for IGs...
Mustang Sally
Richard Lyon
> Here is my 2 cents worth: http://cf.geocities.com/ilanpi/dog.html
>
> -ilan
Dogs aren't intelligent, per se. They have varying degrees of wit, but
their intelligence is fundamentally different than humans. Of my own
dogs, one is dumber than a box of dirt, one is very bright (for a dog)
and the third doesn't give a damn. The bright one can open the
basement door into the house, which is where they stay during the day.
He cannot however, open any of the other doors in the house, despite
their being identical to that door. He's just never made the connection
that they are the same.
I love them all, but intelligent they ain't. Most animals aren't - like
when I had a potbellied pig years ago. I had to replace his waterbowl
with one he couldn't flip over. He never made the connection that if he
flipped the bowl, he wouldn't have water until I got in that evening.
Janet Puistonen
> On 2005-10-22 08:01:45 -0400, ila...@yahoo.com said:
>
>> Here is my 2 cents worth: http://cf.geocities.com/ilanpi/dog.html
>>
>> -ilan
>
> Dogs aren't intelligent, per se. They have varying degrees of wit, but
> their intelligence is fundamentally different than humans. Of my own
> dogs, one is dumber than a box of dirt, one is very bright (for a dog)
> and the third doesn't give a damn. The bright one can open the
> basement door into the house, which is where they stay during the day.
> He cannot however, open any of the other doors in the house, despite
> their being identical to that door. He's just never made the
> connection that they are the same.
My family had a number of GSDs over the years. When my mother went out, she
would leave them in a room that had a telephone that didn't ring. On several
occasions, they "answered" the non-ringing phone by knocking the headset off
the base when they heard the phone ringing in another room. We knew this
because at least once my father was the caller, and he recognized that the
strange sound he was hearing was the dogs snuffling into the phone. It
would appear that they were able to make the connection.
On the other hand, they never showed any interest in opening doors.
ceb
news:pca7f.6442$p_6.1253@trndny07:
> When my mother went out, she
> would leave them in a room that had a telephone that didn't ring. On
> several occasions, they "answered" the non-ringing phone by knocking
> the headset off the base when they heard the phone ringing in another
> room. We knew this because at least once my father was the caller, and
> he recognized that the strange sound he was hearing was the dogs
> snuffling into the phone.
My cat Meem used to hurl the phone to the ground when it rang, and then
MRAOW into the receiver. My friends used to call there when they knew I
wouldn't be home so that she would answer. She was a big talker, and always
seemed to be using language in a real human way -- if you spoke to her, she
would respond. If you came home late, she would have a lot more to say to
you than if you came home on time.
--
Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Rosalie the calico
culprit
"Janet Puistonen" <box...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pca7f.6442$p_6.1253@trndny07...
>
> My family had a number of GSDs over the years. When my mother went out,
she
> would leave them in a room that had a telephone that didn't ring. On
several
> occasions, they "answered" the non-ringing phone by knocking the headset
off
> the base when they heard the phone ringing in another room. We knew this
> because at least once my father was the caller, and he recognized that the
> strange sound he was hearing was the dogs snuffling into the phone. It
> would appear that they were able to make the connection.
>
> On the other hand, they never showed any interest in opening doors.
>
i knew of a pit bull who saw his owner putting meat into the fridge. when
she was away, he figured out how to open the fridge and eat the meat. she
had to lock the fridge. i wouldn't be surprised if he learned the
combination.
Manu can open sliding doors and windows, but mostly when he sees bunnies.
because yum. yes, he's eevil and likes to eat everything in sight. we
learned to lock them, but he's looking at that.
Lola can make me do anything she wants, simply by looking at me. she
certainly has me trained well.
of course, according to these listings, they're about as dumb as a rock.
:-)
-kelly
Janet Puistonen
Which goes to show that generalizations are dangerous...and people's idea of
what makes a good dog or a smart dog differ wildly. <G>